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    Aaron

    Forgive me for the late reply to your comment. I saw it just today (6/30, 12.10 AM). I have point of rebuttal, my friend: You refer to “a popular Protestant Lexicon” as one of your resources, and I have used the “International Standard Bible Encyclopedia” as one of my resources. The ISBE is well regarded by most Bible scholars in the field and it does seems to be compatible with Paul’s use of the terms “reckon” and “impute,” so I will have to maintain my thesis that we have no righteousness of our own and must have the righteousness of Christ imputed to us by faith.
    I really don’t understand your position that we have “a local/inherent righteousness” that removes any need for an “alien” righteousness. Paul goes to great lengths to assert that we have no righteousness of our own and what we call righteousness is only “filthy rags,” disgusting and unfit to save us.
    I could say more, but it is late at night and my mind is getting blurry. I do appreciate your taking the time to read what I wrote and to make a comment on it. And whatever our differences are along this line, they are minor and cannot come between two friends and brothers.
    Aaron

    Nick

    In my study on this topic, the Greek term "logizomai" is the English term for "reckon/impute/credit/etc," (all terms are basically equivalently used) and when I look up that term in a popular Protestant Lexicon here is what it is defined as:

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    QUOTE: "This word deals with reality. If I "logizomai" or reckon that my bank book has $25 in it, it has $25 in it. Otherwise I am deceiving myself. This word refers to facts not suppositions."
    http://tinyurl.com/r92dch
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    The Protestant Lexicon states this term first and foremost refers to the actual status of something. So if Abraham's faith is "logizomai as righteouness," it must be an actually righteous act of faith, otherwise (as the Lexicon says) "I am deceiving myself." This seems to rule out any notion of an alien righteousness, and instead points to a local/inherent righteousness.

    The Lexicon gives other examples where "logizomai" appears, here are 3 examples:

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    Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude [logizomai] that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

    Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon [logizomai] ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Rom 8:18 For I reckon [logizomai] that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
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    Notice in these examples that "logizomai" means to consider the actual truth of an object. In 3:28 Paul 'reckons' faith saves while the Law does not, this is a fact, the Law never saves. In 6:11 the Christian is 'reckoned' dead to sin because he is in fact dead to sin. In 8:18 Paul 'reckons' the present sufferings as having no comparison to Heavenly glory, and that is true because nothing compares to Heavenly glory.

    To use logizomai in the "alien status" way would mean in: (1) 3:28 faith doesn't really save apart from works, but we are going to go ahead and say it does; (2) 6:11 that we are not really dead to sin but are going to say we are; (3) 8:18 the present sufferings are comparable to Heaven's glory.
    This cannot be right.

    So when the text plainly says "faith is logizomai as righteousness," I must read that as 'faith is reckoned as a truly righteous act', and that is precisely how Paul explains that phrase in 4:18-22. That despite the doubts that could be raised in Abraham's heart, his faith grew strong and convinced and "that is why his faith was credited as righteousness" (v4:22).

    p.s. you should enable the option of "email me of follow up comments"

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